TRYING TO CANCEL WHITE SUPREMACY HASN'T WORKED...
White Supremacy sucks, but the collective strategy to cancel it or suppress it isn't working. It's THRIVING and unless we want to be on a collision course with it, we may need to listen...
This video is from Huang’s World 2017 when we went to cover the inauguration. I won back my show in the Vice Bankruptcy so here is a LINK to watch.
I’ve uploaded the entire Inauguration Episode onto youtube because it’s shocking how little has changed since 2017. Thinking back on that moment, I wanted to speak with a White Supremacist so that people could hear from the horse’s mouth.
White Supremacists are spoken about like boogie men, but when you sit down with them, they’re just people. I don’t say that in a way to be like “you should do it too! they’re great!” But it is a fact, they are people and I choose to afford them the same respect that I want in return.
Call me crazy. I don’t care.
The man in this video, Jared Taylor, is a known White Supremacist and the editor of American Renaissance. He graduated from Yale, he has a Transatlantic accent, and believes in scientific racism. Here are some of his ideas as cited on his wikipedia:
Sometime in his early thirties, Taylor reassessed the liberal and cosmopolitan viewpoint commonly professed in his working environment, which he had himself shared until then.[12] He became deeply convinced that human beings are tribal in nature and feelings, and that they differ in talent, temperament and capacity.[17] In the mid-1980s, he developed an interest in the emerging fields of evolutionary biology and evolutionary psychology, especially in the controversial works of Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton and Helmuth Nyborg,[18] and came to believe that differences between human beings are largely of genetic origin, and therefore quasi-immutable.[17] All the social miracles of Japan, Taylor averred by 1991 under the pen name Steven Howell, were at least partly a result of Japan's racial and cultural homogeneity.[19]
In so many words, Jared Taylor has spent his career trying to prove that humans are not created equally and that race determines a lot of our intellectual capacity. When I spoke with Jared Taylor, I didn’t even engage him on that because it doesn’t matter. Maybe also because he admitted Asians are smarter than white people, which I wasn’t about to disagree with lol.
I don’t agree with White Supremacists, but I also choose not to dehumanize them to their face. I definitely laugh at their ideas in group chats on my own time, but they’re probably watching Gran Torino rewinding the shit every time Clint Eastwood calls an Asian person a zipper head so we’re even.
I think it’s important to listen to people especially when they hold the fate of your government in their hands.
LISTENING doesn’t mean agreeing, but how are we supposed to change this country and win people over if we don’t engage them? I hear liberals talk a lot about “not platforming” certain people or ideas, but those people exist and so do their ideas.
Frankly, A LOT OF PEOPLE behind closed doors have tribal opinions like this. Go to any boxing gym and you’ll hear, “He fights like a Mexican.” I’ve seen trainers look at black boxers and say, “He doesn’t fight like a black guy.” It’s not just white people! Tribalism is so prevalent in our every day lives and it’s bullshit, but it’s not the role of government to solve it.
That would be the duty of the people.
On an every day basis, we should be engaging these conversations and dispelling these myths with our own actions. Every time a Chinese person chooses not to be a doctor, lawyer, accountant, or Yo Yo Ma, they are doing their part. Every time a Mexican fighter decides not to lead with their head, they are doing their part.
You get the point. Every one harbors feelings about identity and tribalism but the 14th Amendment is supposed to guarantee that it doesn’t seep into our laws and governmental structures. It is a guarantee our country and constitution offer, but very rarely delivers on.
That’s where I chose to engage Jared Taylor. You can harbor all the racist and tribal thoughts that you want. That’s your right. You are allowed to be racist if you choose to, but this is a country that was taken from Native Americans that then employed African Slave Labor and immigration to build itself up. Because of the contributions of these groups and those that fought in the Civil War we got the 14th Amendment.
Additionally, if you read Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States of America, Lincoln made a BUSINESS decision. Just like every company did after the great “awakening” of 2020; it was simply good BUSINESS to promote DEI, which is itself simply an extension of the 14th Amendment’s ideology as applied to business opportunities. Why do you think every founder was posting White Fragility? You think they actually read it? It’s simply good for their business.
Democrats in this cycle needed to emphasize the economic benefits to DEI and free trade and corporate taxes, but they didn’t. They instead spent most of their time disparaging Trump and calling his followers crazy.
America has been through this before with the Civil War. It is good BUSINESS to fuck with diverse peoples and for no other reason, white people should support diversity and equality because of that. We need to explain diversity and equality simply as PROFESSIONALISM. If we can’t convince you that screaming “grab her by the pussy” is wrong, would you perhaps reconsider it as a business decision? Otherwise, this country will become a shell of itself because who wants to do business with people who are assholes?
Without immigration, this country loses its financial edge over the other super powers. America needs immigrants to compete with China, India, etc. Why are we not explaining the economy to people in rural areas? It is very simple to explain that without a cheap immigrant work force, we cannot compete with other countries that have even cheaper work forces. And for the white people that feel like immigrants are stealing their jobs, why don’t we offer financial support or tax credits to get them trained in new industries when their coal mines and factories close? We can’t leave these people behind. They are also Americans!
To me, white supremacy is very simple, it’s white people acting in their own self interest driven by the belief that they’re superior to others. The belief that they are superior serves to justify their actions, but really it’s just a psychological rationalization for acting in their own self-interest.
Now why would these white people need that rationalization? GUILT! They feel guilty! They may not admit it, but their actions infer guilt!
The liberal hope and belief is that white people - already holding so much power - would not fear other groups and could be open to the idea of a more level playing field. It’s a great idea. It’s also why we understand why people say Black Power or Asian Pride or have Pride Week. These are under privileged groups looking to be on equal footing.
But ask yourself. Why do these white supremacists have trouble acknowledging inequality and stomaching that diverse groups would want to clamor for more power and equal footing?
BECAUSE NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE ARE CREATED EQUAL. I’m saying really basic shit here, but I’m saying it because I stayed up for 8 hours watching a bunch of idiots on MSNBC fumble around the idea acting like they couldn’t believe this was happening! BELIEVE IT YOU FUCKING MORONS! This is the SECOND time it is happening because you can’t get past the “I can’t believe it!”
You know why you can’t believe it? Because you live in a liberal white bubble where every body has enough and you don’t need to worry about shit like dispossession. I empathize with poor people. It doesn’t matter if you’re white or mexican or black or gay, you are poor. Being poor sucks.
I visited a lot of poor areas on Huang’s World and it sucks for every one. I went to man camps in North Dakota, I went to homeless encampments in Hawaii, and I went to college in Western Pennsylvania so I’ve been to Youngstown. Poverty is color blind.
When you are poor, you have not satisfied enough basic needs to have empathy for anyone beyond yourself. I would hope that people could find it, but I wouldn’t expect it and I wouldn’t judge them for lacking it. It wasn’t just white people that voted for Trump. It was poor people in rural and now suburban areas that feel unserved by the Democratic Party.
Scarcity is at the core of the fears that drive White Supremacy ideology. Because land and resources are scarce, they must protect the dispossession of whites in America because without power and control and possessions and whiteness, what would they be? ____________________ (insert any other non-white group in America).
Jared Taylor is not a stupid man. Nor is he alone. In every racial or religious group, there are people who care about racial purity. They want their traditional lands. It is not helpful to say to Jared Taylor or any of these traditionalists that they’re crazy, they’re not invited on your platforms, and that they’re canceled from liberal media. Because we should be clear, that’s what canceling is. You’re not invited to the liberal Tupperware party.
While we all wish that Jared Taylor and the other radical groups would let go of the need for identity purity and traditional lands, it’s what they want. If someone comes into your restaurant and orders the Grilled Chicken Ceasar, do you call them a moron? It’s on the menu! They’re allowed to have this opinion. They are allowed to have bad taste and terrible ideas. Trump was on the fucking menu.
And Democrats spent more time screaming about how wrong it was that he was on the ballot or on the menu and how stupid and terrible these people are. Guess what? They think the same thing about you because NOBODY VOTED FOR KAMALA TO BE THE NOMINEE.
I’ve met a lot of white supremacists through my work. I fought members of Forza Nuova, an Italian Far Right Political Party, and got thrown into Sicilian jail with our entire crew July 4, 2016. The people on Huang’s World wanted to do something about the way things were going in the world and we took White Supremacists head-on.
We didn’t try to cancel them, we didn’t tell them they were stupid, we listened and after listening pointed out the contradictions in their “work”. Did I enjoy it? Absolutely not. They were the hardest conversations I’ve ever had if you don’t count the conversations I had with my father kneeling on bags of rice at home.
This holier than thou, don’t platform, don’t give air time to these radical right wingers DOESN’T WORK. Nobody gives a fuck about sitting between Ari Melber and Rachel Maddow on an ugly formica desk lamenting the state of the world. You mother fuckers are washed. This woe is me, “this is so wrong” approach is a PRIVILEGED response. You sit on moral high ground because you have the means to. The people you’ve tried to cancel went direct to their audiences and they’re bigger and richer than ever before because people relate to them.
The middle class has disappeared. Inflation has crippled families and small businesses, yet the market keeps going up and the rich get richer because the people who don’t have money need to borrow at insanely high interest rates.
Income inequality hit every body not just people of color, immigrants, LGBTQ, etc. There are serious issues of identity inequality in this country. People have been mad for a very long time, but this wasn’t the year for that conversation. I’m sorry. People from all walks of life are really broke and hurting right now. Democrats needed to put their pride to the side and they needed white voters, but instead completely alienated them.
This is not a White Country, nor is it a Black Country or a Gay Country or a Yellow Country. Trump didn’t win because he’s a hateful, mysoginistic, crook. He won because he spoke to people down bad in this country that didn’t feel seen by the Democratic Party and wanted change.
For a bit of perspective, when Biden tried to pass the student loan forgiveness act, I was ecstatic. I’ve paid for my education in full, but a lot of my classmates haven’t and it was a big help. I thought that was a real populist thing to do and applauded Biden.
Then i went online and saw tons of working class Americans that saw it as an elitist measure! I looked at my own privilege and realized that I’ve ascended to a bubble. When I was in high school, it wasn’t assumed that I’d go to college. I had a lot of friends that didn’t. They got GEDs and just went to work. So even when the democrats think they’re messaging to poor working class people, they’re unknowingly elitist.
The Democrats had a better plan for poor people. That’s the sad part. The Trump tax breaks are a re-do of Reaganomics leaning into to trickle down theory, which has proven not to work. The people at the top who benefit from those tax breaks pocket the money. But I know all kinds of people that voted for Trump because the Democrats appeared elitist and platformed oppression olympics. That’s not where the votes were to be had.
You can’t win being self-righteous trying to govern for the few. And make no mistake, progressives are the minority. Trump won by a landslide so if Democrats want to win, they need to listen to the angry whites, the angry men, grit their teeth, and figure this shit out. They aren’t going anywhere.
I don’t think the whites or the men are correct in this moment, but it doesn’t matter. They won and we’re at their mercy because we didn’t listen. We have to have even more humanity and empathy than they do if we hope for them to join us.
When we cancel a person, what we essentially do is cut them off from all the voices of dissent that may serve to shift or shape their views in the future. Pre-internet, this ostracism would have been devastating. Imagine all your friends, family, and coworkers stopped talking to you? The shame you would feel? The isolation? Now, they just retreat to safe spaces where their beliefs are shared by hundreds or thousands of others. Without external voices to temper the echo chamber of hate, what may have started as small prejudices or misguided behavior become completely entrenched racist ideology. Thanks for writing this piece and for pointing out that opening up discourse with people with opposing worldviews is the only way to make any impact on those views. Otherwise we all are left yelling into the void and hearing our own voices echo back.
I've been a fan of the ba$ed fob since I was a teenager watching Fresh of the Boat (No, I will not call it Huang's World) on YT in my parent's living room. When my mom visited NYC, I sent her to Baohaus and she brought me back a signed copy of your first book and a jersey, to boot. I still have them and I think there's even a photo of you two together on her Instagram. So, I fuck with you, Eddie. And I'm going to keep fuckin with you, but I just don't think this is the illuminating take so many are making it out to be.
Let me just start out by saying I think you make some really great points in here: the liberal elite is largely bubbled, cancel culture doesn't do us any good, tribalism doesn't just exist within white communities, poverty doesn't see colour and having a respectful and non-judgemental dialogue with our political opponents is a hard, but probably necessary, conversation to have. My problem is not with these ideas, it's that they've been what everyone's been saying -- including liberals -- for the last five years or more. I feel like this hot take could've come straight out of the 2017 post-election media cycle for how novel it feels in 2024.
In the aftermath of Trump 1.0 there was a ceaseless barrage of think pieces, op-eds, profiles, articles, documentaries, memoirs, podcasts, et cetera all trying to decipher the puzzle of "who are Trump's base and what can we learn from them?" Everything under the sun has been written, filmed, and recorded about who the Trump voter is and why he/she/they feel and behave the way they do. We've BEEN talking to them. I think that, at least partially, explains the Democrat's (imperfect and poorly executed) attempts to appeal to aspects of the right wing over the past few years (immigration, a distancing from identity politics at least outwardly, etc.). And while I'll agree that some of it has been productive (Asted Herndon kills it at this), delving into why Jared Taylor, Richard Spencer, Steven Bannon, or any of the other hard-MAGA and avowed white supremacists, I think is tired and not actually going to glean anything more than it already has. I don't think we need more think pieces on what progressives can learn from QAnon Shaman or what the guy with 500 stickers of Trump as God Emperor on his truck can say to us about democratic prospects in 2028.
What is of interest to me as a progressive is a Democratic Party and Left that examines how a billionaire with a track record of deriding virtually every minority group under the sun, who cut taxes for the wealthy and imposed them on the middle class and who has never worked a flattop, shovel, or piece of machinery in his life, was able to peel off so many working-class people including Black,, Latino, Asian and other minority groups to win a popular vote (I also don't think it was a landslide as you put it, maybe for him, but he still won less of the popular vote than Clinton, Biden, Obama and Bush 2.0) which hasn't been done since 2004 in the wake of the Iraq war saber-rattling.
It's here that I think you're on to something. This election was won on pocketbook issues. People are hurting. The middle class is hollowed out. When people can't afford groceries, or gas, or rent, or a home, a used vehicle, or any other of the necessities supposedly promised to us in the social contract, they aren't focusing on addressing issues like DEI, democratic backsliding or the marginalization of others. But I don't think Trump won because he and his campaign spoke to those issues directly. His campaign actually didn't focus overly heavily on them, at all, beyond invoking the already present nostalgia for a time pre-pandemic when everything didn't feel so goddamned expensive and hard. And while that era was not the way it was explicitly because of Trump -- this economic hardship Americans are experiencing extends far beyond their shores and is present in most other countries post-COVID, too -- he is the leader people associate with that time as Biden is the leader they associate with the time after it. Incumbent governments are being excoriated globally right now and I think this was, in many ways, an expression of a desire to go back to a time, if not explicitly a person.
Yes, Democrats need to be less pretentious and smarmy. Yes, they need to reconnect with working and middle-class people. Yes, they need to explain their positions in a better way that actually reaches those for whom they might actually make a difference (like the part you mentioned about explaining why the Democrats had a better economic plan than Trump for working people), but I also think there's a real crisis of civic education; of education in general in North America. Most people are too busy struggling to follow politics beyond social media and most no longer receive a robust education in how government works (this will probably get worse if, as he has said, Trump eliminates the Dept. of Education). We need to heavily protect and invest in education so that meaningful conversations can be had across social strata about why one policy might sound good but another might actually be good for your bank account. Or why eliminating post-secondary debt is still good, even for people who didn't attend college or university. Understanding our opponents and education helps bridge divides. It makes people care about their neighbours and their communities. But I sense that's what you're saying, too.
I think there's a lot that can and will be said about why things went the way they did. Right now, it feels like everyone's trying to be first to decipher why we're in this predicament. "I knew we were fucked first" is very much the vibe I'm getting online right now. But it will probably be a confluence of things that make up the real reasons and, I guess, talking about our disagreements respectfully (as I hope I've done here) is a good place to start.
Anyways, I'ma keep reading your shit, just wanted to say my piece on this one, man. Well wishes to you and yours.